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 Posted - 19/10/2010 : 14:36:47
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Ok guys, I know I'm banging on about this a bit, but I'm really starting to get concerned about my Corn. She hasn't eaten anything for, must be 3 months by now. She's started to loose weight and is looking worse and worse. Per you guys various advice she now has two hides, one at the warm end, one at the cool end, she has a thermostat and going by my digi thermometer the temp is never dropping below 28 and is never above 31 (degrees c). She's getting reptoboost in her water, I've removed my co-habiting snake to give her some space (who is perfectly fine btw, she's eating regularly with 0 problems). But still she can't keep anything down.
General information on Jigsaw (my corn):
She's (I think) about 3 years 6 months, maybe 4 years.
She's about 4ft give or take in length.
She's bee in this viv (4ft by 2ft) for about 2 1/2 years and these problems have only started as I say in the last 3 months, and the other corn is fine (I have now removed her though, I don't want anything to start going wrong with her aswell, so she's in a temp viv atm).
All symptoms I've noticed in her to give you where I am atm;
Had a lump in her about 4-5 weeks ago, took her to the vet who didn't know what it was, but massaged it out of her and she hasn't had a lump develop since. She also went on a course of anti-biotics while at the vets.
She is passing waste, but it's pretty much just mucus and slime. Seems to be slightly green in colour too, dunno if it means anything.
Loosing weight to the point of being dangerous, I can now see her spine running down her back she's so thin.
Can't keep any food I give her down, she regurges between 36-48 hours after I feed her (if she eats it at all).
Methods I've tried to feed her:
Leaving it with her overnight.
Braining
Reducing the size of the food.
Boiling a pinky < this worked, but she regurged it again in the 36-48 hour period.
So that's it. I'm all out of ideas and have no clue what could be causing these problems, and all the time she's getting no food in her. I know they can last a while without food, but surely it's starting to get dangerous now. Anything, and I do mean anything you guys can do to help would be hugely appreciated. |
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hiper2009
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Posted - 19/10/2010 : 15:27:27
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Sorry to hear this truma , Do you know what kind of antibiotics was given to her ? I know a friend that had to give it baytril and it killed it after about 3 to 5 months after it was a slow and painful death for it, Also have you tried blending a pinky up or a ratfluff and let her try n drink it some how then that way she won't regurge it up im sure , im not fully sure on how to answer your problems as i don't want to give you wrong or misleading information , so better wait for one of the more advanced people to come on to help you , Good luck and look forward to hearing whats going on.  |
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HannahB
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Posted - 19/10/2010 : 16:52:40
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what exactly did you mean when the vet 'massaged' a lump out of her?
last time she fed and kept it down was she fed on the substrate? could be an impaction of somesort..
id take her back to the vet - maybe a different one to normal who specialises in reps as they might be able to help more
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Posted - 19/10/2010 : 17:17:24
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Originally posted by HannahB
what exactly did you mean when the vet 'massaged' a lump out of her?
last time she fed and kept it down was she fed on the substrate? could be an impaction of somesort..
id take her back to the vet - maybe a different one to normal who specialises in reps as they might be able to help more
Well the lump was soft and it had already moved before I'd taken her, so he figured it must be some kind of blockage and kind of pushed it down her. I was inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt as he was the reptile vet for a major UK zoo, looked rough, but then again, I'm not a vet =/ I did have an x-ray done which didn't really show anything, except for what looked like a lump of fluid or something. Definately wasn't solid whatever it was.
And as regards the last time she kept something down, erm, no, I fed her in her at the time hide (I've since removed it, I had problems getting them out of it and I didn't like to yank them out before feeding them.
As far as taking her to the vet, I'm trying one last time on Saturday to feed her, if she regurges again I'm gonna take her back to the vet, a different one that the guy in the reptile shop recommended to me (and tbh, they've been more helpful than the vet I saw so far.) |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/10/2010 : 18:33:23
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| What a worry for you. I do hope the 'new' vet that you try can help. Fingers crossed for you and your snake. |
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kdlang
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/10/2010 : 19:31:49
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| Sorry I can't help but just wanted to say I hope your girl is better soon. It certainly sounds like a trip to a vet again is a good idea. Was she tested for any parasites? |
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gingerpony
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/10/2010 : 14:03:50
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a specialist exotics vet should be much more helpful than your local smallies vet (who, in an ideal world, should have advised you to contact an appropriate practice rather than taking your money!!)
your set-up sounds fantastic now 
hope you find out the cause and please keep us posted. |
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Posted - 25/10/2010 : 17:11:10
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| Me again. An update with some great news :) She took a rat pup on Saturday and has passed the 48 hour mark with no regurging. I am absolutely exstatic that she's actually eaten something ^^ I intend on feeding her once a week for about 4 weeks, then trying to move up to a smaller rat (I really want to get her weight back up a bit). I'm gonna keep things nice and steady for her, but I'm crossing, pretty much everything, that she's finally ok and I can put this last few months behind her. Ty to everyone who's responded to my various posts for all your help :) |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
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Posted - 25/10/2010 : 17:15:30
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| That's great news! Fingers crossed that she keeps eating and keeping food down. |
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Tiffany-x
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/10/2010 : 17:31:28
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Even though rats arent ideal it is far far better for her to be eating them rather than nothing. Im so glad you got her eating, Im sure she will be fine now. Well done with her and good luck. :)
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
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Posted - 25/10/2010 : 20:37:24
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| Congratulations. You must be so pleased and relieved. Hope she continues to improve for you. |
      
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gingerpony
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Posted - 26/10/2010 : 08:47:37
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| congrats on the feed, just keep offering small prey items while you get a routine established |
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mikerichards
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Posted - 26/10/2010 : 14:49:39
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Even though the snake has kept a meal down, i would recommend going back to the vets anyway, and getting a faecal sample done, check for worms, especially pin worm, and flagellates, just to be sure. eating doesnt mean the problem has gone away, it may well be still there, and it will recur for as long as its not being treated.
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Sta~ple
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Posted - 26/10/2010 : 21:48:05
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Watch the weight gain on the rats. I unno what rat size guide your looking at/your pet shop goes by but small rat's are massive. As in, your snake won't be able to fit it in its mouth big
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
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Posted - 26/10/2010 : 21:52:33
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that's enough! play nice please.
i personally agree with Tiff that generally mice are better for corns than the equivalent sized rat as a staple diet.
i also agree with Mike that the problem is very unlikely to have gone away overnight and should ideally be investigated. a faecal analysis can be done without a costly vet visit and would still be worth doing.
a lot of advice on here is personal opinion and even people with a lot of experience to back it up still have different ways of dealing with the same problem. |
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gingerpony
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Posted - 26/10/2010 : 22:27:35
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i said that's enough!
LOCKED! |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/10/2010 : 07:19:08
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thread now tidied up and unlocked
PLEASE keep on topic and refrain from insulting posts, it will NOT be tolerated, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
thanks
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/10/2010 : 00:01:51
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quote:
Originally posted by gingerpony
that's enough! play nice please.
i personally agree with Tiff that generally mice are better for corns than the equivalent sized rat as a staple diet.
i also agree with Mike that the problem is very unlikely to have gone away overnight and should ideally be investigated. a faecal analysis can be done without a costly vet visit and would still be worth doing.
a lot of advice on here is personal opinion and even people with a lot of experience to back it up still have different ways of dealing with the same problem.
http://www.rodentpro.com/qpage_articles_03.asp
2 mice @ 10g each
3g of fat each
4.4g of protein each
thats 6g of fat and 8.8g of protein for both.
1 rat @ 20g
11.2g protein
5.5g fat
Point proven.
And yes, i know, its me.
Admin, you can ban me now please.
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
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Posted - 30/10/2010 : 00:05:41
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Before my wish is granted, hopefully.
One last bit of advice to the OP.
Take the snake to the vets as soon as you can, get a faecal sample done, and make sure there are plenty of tests done. A snake does not stop eating and lose loads of weight quickly for no reason.
If you ignore it and hope it will go away, the snake is highly likely to Die, seen it, heard of it, i know it.
Take my advice, better safe than sorry. |
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smiffy89
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Posted - 30/10/2010 : 01:58:07
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quote:
Originally posted by mikerichards
Before my wish is granted, hopefully.
One last bit of advice to the OP.
Take the snake to the vets as soon as you can, get a faecal sample done, and make sure there are plenty of tests done. A snake does not stop eating and lose loads of weight quickly for no reason.If you ignore it and hope it will go away, the snake is highly likely to Die, seen it, heard of it, i know it.
Take my advice, better safe than sorry.
got to agree on this bit here the snakes health is allways the main priority |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/10/2010 : 08:36:55
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I didn't see the naughty bits that were edited out, but I can imagine.....
Your snakes needs another vet trip, for fecals at least- MikeRichards is spot on. |
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