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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/01/2011 : 17:05:18
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I need help cooling down the cool end of my vivs. hot end is perfect cool end is too hot. I want it stable for a few days before a snake goes in it.
The set up is a tryed and tested one i got from one of the other well known reptile forums no one elce seems to have trouble with it.
When all heaters and things are off there is only a very slight 0.2 of a diffrence between ends. But yet when the heater is on the hot and the cold end are about 30c diffrent. So I need advice on the best way to deal with that.
I have a few ideas but I wonderd if you guys maybe had better ones.
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 17:07:26
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| all heaters and things?, could you tell us how you are heating the viv. what heating are you using and what are you using to regulate the temperatures |
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Invalid User
Account Deactivated
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 17:24:28
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| I just have a heat mat covering 1/3 of the tank and I have no problem keeping the cool end at around 20c and the warm end around 29c. Sounds like you may have too much heating equipment in there maybe? |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 18:44:30
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| I'm guessing a heat bulb of some kind, what wattage? What thermomenters do you have (dial/digital)? Do you have a thermostat? |
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a33272
our battery charger
United Kingdom
3063 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 19:19:52
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| sounds to me like this is an issue with how ever you heating or lighting |
    
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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 19:22:34
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Hey,
Thanks for so meny replays
Right the hot end sits at 27.9 on adverage and the cold end sits at 26.6 on adverage.
The viv is 48inches long 20inches tall with a depth of 18inches.
The probe for the stat is on the substrate under the bulb as well as a themomiter there. The cool end themomiter is on the substrate at the in the middle of the cool end. so a few inches away from all sides on the right hand side of the viv. The stat is a microclimate b2 so Proportional heat. The ceramic bulb is 250w, although thats what i was reconmended In looking at it now i think its too big!
I did think the bulb was a bit big for the viv, but when we built them we got all the specs and best websites to buy from, from people who use it whith no trouble so i figure its something im doing wrong. Know I know to take things with a pinch of salt, I have quite a few snake books im on quite a few forums and the vet we use for the snakes is actually quite good.
Never had this problem before tho, but I guess thats the thing with a new set up.. takes a bit of fiddleing.
I did try lowering the stat temps to see if that also bought down the cold end. And it does but by the same amount. So if I have the cold end at 25oc the hot end is 26 or 27.
All the books and care sheets I have read say you really want a diffrence of 5oc between sides min.
Erm i think thats everything i needed to tell you lol :D
thank you again for the help.
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a33272
our battery charger
United Kingdom
3063 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 19:34:06
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| id say the ceramic bulb is giving of to much radiant heat 250w is a biggy, my python is in a 4ft viv and i only use a 150w ir bulb with him. most poeple use mats with corns as corns take heat in from the belly but there are a few on here that use bulbs without problems |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 19:50:03
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Yeah my bulb is a 40watt reflector bulb, it focuses the heat to a 'hot spot' on the driftwood, I have a thermometer and stat monitoring this, they have to be in direct line of sight to the bulb and the bulb is dimmed within a few hours running. The heating bulb is heating the air to 30 degrees as well as the decor and substrate, both in your hot and cold end. The easiest thing I can think to do is swap the bulb for a 60 watt spot max and invest in a heat mat for a reliable constant heat source when you can.
EDIT - Oh your pulse stat won't work with a normal spot bulb and probably wouldn't work for a heat mat either as its minimum wattage will be higher than an appropriately sized heat mat. Might be a bit expensive to sort out but the cheaper option would be a heat mat and mat-stat, cost you about £40, far cheaper than a dimming stat at about £45-£50 |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
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Edited by - lotabob on 02/01/2011 19:57:06 |
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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:16:43
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| yeah we allways used mats for our corns till we bought this set up with no issues. I still have loads of mats and mat stats kicking about so I can change back if need be. Thanks for the advice. Its not a normal spot bulb but i never kept the box :I Thanks for the help :D Im going to get a smaller bulb and if that dont work I guess its back to mats. THanks alot. :D :D |
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a33272
our battery charger
United Kingdom
3063 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:28:53
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| the b2 can be used with mats anyway so ud only have to run the mat lead out |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:41:10
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If you're used to a mat and have all the gear I'd just use that. Better the devil you know, as they say!
I use bulbs but that's only because that's what I was told to use to begin with and all my snakes are happy with that. If I'd always used a mat I'd be happy to carry on as long as I'd had no problems.....
Personal choice, but I still think stick with what works for you.  |
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1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:45:04
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Well see when the snakes were wee they had little mini vivs with mats, then they went in to big rubs again with mats. Now they are getting rdy to move in to propper vivs. And Over in another big forum i was told by loads of people that coz cons are not not nocurnal, and alothugh they dont bask, and get here from there bellys, it comes from the sun heating the ground. So a ceramic is better for them. But Im now getting conflicting advice lol thats allways the way aint it! two other people have posted asking what to use and have been told to use ceramics. And im being told that was a silly idea. I will post back in a few days see how things go with the advice ive gotten :D
Thanks again guys |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:53:56
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| I would have thought a ceramic heater for a smallish vivarium is like putting an afterburner on a paper plane. Best to keep it simple (and therefore cheaper and easier to run). |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:01:17
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| LOl thats a funny thought, woosh oh... no plane! Erm well now from expearance i would agree with you, but now someone is telling me they are cheepe to run. So a 250w ceramic is even less to run than a 100w one... i dont really understand the logic, unless its because it heats up the space faster and uses less power. |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:04:26
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Originally posted by Firelass77
Well see when the snakes were wee they had little mini vivs with mats, then they went in to big rubs again with mats. Now they are getting rdy to move in to propper vivs. And Over in another big forum i was told by loads of people that coz cons are not not nocurnal, and alothugh they dont bask, and get here from there bellys, it comes from the sun heating the ground. So a ceramic is better for them. But Im now getting conflicting advice lol thats allways the way aint it! two other people have posted asking what to use and have been told to use ceramics. And im being told that was a silly idea. I will post back in a few days see how things go with the advice ive gotten :D
Thanks again guys
Aww, bless you. You really care and it shows. We've all been on the end of lots of conflicting advice. I really think it's a case of working out what you're happiest with. If your snakes are used to mats, and you're confident with them, then I'd feel inclined to stick with them.
As I said I use bulbs simply because that's what I started with and have never had any issues with them. I use 60w reflector bulbs with a dimming habistat thermostat.
Regards to if the heat comes from above or below...the sun shines, warms the ground and snakes lay on the warm ground. You decide!!! 
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Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:10:02
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| I shopped around for the best advice but only hit the jackpot when I found this forum. People on here really know what they are talking about. I posted 1 slighly out of focus picture of my setup and someone (I wish I remember who) spotted a problem, pointed it out and they were absolutley correct and I was able to put it right the same day. I wouldn't change anything without running it by these guys first. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Firelass77
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:50:35
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To be honest I do think you guys are really friendly. I'm admin from a ferret forum and website, and one of the things we focus on is being friendly no matter how much you would like to ring someone neck for donig the wrong thing. At least they have asked for help. Some of the really big older forums seem to have a god complex gonig on. Sort of like well we have heard it all before we are abouve such questions lol or they are rude. There is never any need to be rude :D
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 23:39:47
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Originally posted by Firelass77
To be honest I do think you guys are really friendly. I'm admin from a ferret forum and website, and one of the things we focus on is being friendly no matter how much you would like to ring someone neck for donig the wrong thing. At least they have asked for help. Some of the really big older forums seem to have a god complex gonig on. Sort of like well we have heard it all before we are abouve such questions lol or they are rude. There is never any need to be rude :D
I think most people just need a little help and sometimes reassurance. If they didn't care they wouldn't bother finding a forum let alone ask! It's much better to be kind than abuse them if they've done wrong due to ignorance. We all know research is good but not everyone is sure how to research and, let's face it, all it gives you sometimes is conflicting advice! I try to help however I can and hope that in the end it helps the poor little creature without a voice.
I don't belong to any forum that is nasty to people and feel VERY proud to be a member of this forum and the way it conducts itself!  |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
507 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 00:24:32
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This has got to be the most friendliest thread on here!
"big hug"
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 04:58:41
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Originally posted by Firelass77
To be honest I do think you guys are really friendly. I'm admin from a ferret forum and website...........
Got a linky to that, there's a few ferret owners on here as well. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Cold end too hot Need advice.
