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sue2012
Hatchling

United Kingdom
391 Posts

Posted - 08/02/2012 :  16:18:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have 6 corns and i do cohab my girls i dont with my boys but the girls are fine they all eat well shed well and never seam, in any stress they have plenty of hydes and a big enough viv to move around in all are happy being handled they are fed every wed all in dif rubs and are put back togather about 20 mins after the food is al the way down i can see y some are so agenst it but at the end of the day it comes down to choice every one that keeps corns have a right to keep them as they see fit as long as the snake is helthy and well looked after thats what matters this is just my views

1.0 Caroliner - Ozzy
1.0 caramel
Bloodred - Damon
0.1 sulfor - Stella
0.1 moonstone - letti
1.0 lavender - tazz
0.1 amber opal - salt
0.2 cats buffy & narla
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Hanxa
Egg

United Kingdom
54 Posts

Posted - 20/02/2012 :  20:17:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got two corn snakes about 5 months ago (they are now 6 months old). I have a friend who has always kept her snakes in pairs without a problem and I have always intended to keep them together. We let them settle for the first fortnight of having them and then put them in a small terrerium which had a divider with air vents to let them get used to each other.
When we had them out, I followed her advice and introduced them together slowly. After a while, we noticed them curled up outside their hides against the divider. We had been taking the divider out for an hour or so a day by this point, watching them carefully.

The pair have been together completely from 2 months old. They have plenty of hides and they don't bully each other. We take them out individually for feeding and leave them in separate containers to settle before returning to the terrerium.
We've found, when we separated them to transport for a health check and more recently, for sexing, they've tried to move into the same container. Dunno why... they don't seem to appreciate separation. According to the reptile folks I take them to they are in brilliant health, growing great and show no signs of stress. They eat well and shed regularly, poop regularly and their poop is good (though smelly >.<)

For the poop issue, we've been lucky. Shadow always goes in one corner while Aspen always goes near the log. I check everywhere else but they don't seem to go anywhere else - so if one has an issue I know who it is :p

She has said, since they are both male, to just watch them closely between a year and a year and a half as things might change, but if they remain amicable, then it should be fine. I only really heard of the risks after getting them, having only seen hers in pairs, and at the moment, we only have the space for one large viv, else I may have reconsidered.

In my defence, everyone I know personally keeps their corns in pairs... Never heard of problems until I hit the internet

1.0.0 Carolina - Aspen
1.0.0 Charcoal - Shadow

Edited by - Hanxa on 20/02/2012 20:23:16
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connorg96
Egg

United Kingdom
97 Posts

Posted - 19/04/2012 :  18:12:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah i was given the same advise from the pet shop i got my snakies from, however my snakes (male and female) did have a bit of a fight (straight after feeding) and this caused me to seperate them, however that seems like an age ago and i know so much more about corns now. anyway i was told that they was both males and theyt would be fine together. my male (shortly after was found out to be a female) was 'jittering' and this made me want to get them both sexed. i now have them in seperate tanks and they are now both parents to 18 baby snakies but yeah;
any way a shop can make money they will.
i am glad however that another one of my local shops tells the truth and has never lied about anything to me and has always been spot on [hull pets and gardens] btw
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serena_08
Yearling

United Kingdom
784 Posts

Posted - 19/05/2012 :  11:48:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well. It is unfortunate that proper advice is not dished out when you buy snakes. I bought Alo and Dawn and asked all questions about having them live together, told it was perfectly fine as they are both female and of similar size. They were 5 and 6 months old. As they were going to be living in a faun together, I could have (and would have) easily bought another faun if I were told that there is a slight risk of cannabalism! For two months they have lived together, eating, pooping, shedding and growing perfectly. At one point there was 7 hides and yet they'd follow each other around and lay together. On occasion they would use seperate hides but not for long! They now live separately as I got paranoid about them being different sexes, (my single boy turned out to be a gravid female surprising me with 9 eggs, yet I had her 4 months alone). Since being separated Alo (usually quite jumpy and shy) is now regularly putting on a display for everyone to see and seems to slowly be relaxing a bit. It just shos that not everything you are told means thats how you should do it, just make a wise informed decision about how to keep them!

1.0.0 Corn: D-Bo (Amel)
1.0.0 Western Hognose: C*ntyB*ll*cks
0.1.0 MBK: Rosa
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko: Zuko
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Kobe
0.0.1 Fire Bellied Toad: Snoop
1.1.0 Cats: Penny and Sheldon
1.0.0 Staffy: MooMoo


I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
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NexivRed
Yearling

United Kingdom
551 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2012 :  14:33:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm new to the forum and will be choosing and picking up my new corn snakes in the next couple of weeks. I'm glad I found this thread as it's offered far more insight into the factors of snakes living together and snakes living separately than you would get from a book or a pet store or something.
I have decided that I will not cohabit my snakes. I just don't think I could live with myself if something happened now I know what I know. I would have no-one to blame but myself and would struggle with wishing I could turn back time. What's the point of spending money and investing love and affection into something when you know you're increasing the risk of it leaving you prematurely. And of course it must be horrible for the snakes, both the eater and the eaten.

I definitely think people are doing it for their benefit rather then the snakes' (apart from the stories I've read about the institutionalised snakes), and are perhaps deluding themselves slightly thinking the snakes gain comfort or enjoy being together. Snakes are reptiles and only possess the hind brain, neither the limbic brain not the frontal cortex. Therefore they are incapable of feeling such emotions and it's fruitless to argue they do. It's for that reason that I *personally* could not put myself above my snakes and will be housing all three separately. And I cannot wait to go and pick them up! I'm going to be making their set ups in the next couple of days.

R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios
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kelly x
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
49 Posts

Posted - 19/01/2013 :  16:26:02  Show Profile  Click to see kelly x's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hi, im thinking about housing another male in with my male corn that I have now, they will both be around the same length and size ( 1 1/2 years old), would it be ok to house them together in a 3 1/2 ft viv? I have found another corn that I like so I need advice asap :) thanks. At the moment I have been told conflicting views about them eating eachother, but is this just for when they are babys?
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 19/01/2013 :  19:12:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's advisable not to in any may shape or form. People if cohabibg normal cohab girls. He would need to be in a seperate room and viv for a three month quarantine.

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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hayleyb93
Hatchling

United Kingdom
285 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2013 :  17:43:22  Show Profile  Visit hayleyb93's Homepage  Click to see hayleyb93's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hey i know there is some controversy around this subject but i got rid of my corn to go to uni and am now getting and amel and anery, I havent gotten them yet but am thinking of housing them together. before i get anything im wondering is it better to house both males or both females and also is it better to house them when they are younger as opposed to when they are a few years old. As i said i havent got anything yet and havent completely decided wether i will house together or not but just want to know the best way so if i do, I do it as safely as possible.


1.0.0 Snow Corn: Skittles
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon: Edd
1.0.0 Dog: Oscar
0.0.1 African Mantis: Mildred
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Paul
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 24/02/2013 :  17:33:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi guys another newby here just wanted to say hope ya all having a gd day
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vickisticki
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
3 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2013 :  00:19:16  Show Profile  Click to see vickisticki's MSN Messenger address  Send vickisticki a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Blackecho see your picture of corn. Has that got a proper name as that is the type. Of snakes I have. Sorry for change of subject
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Amberino
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
38 Posts

Posted - 18/11/2014 :  13:39:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Know many people who house them together successfully but dont know if it is worth the risk, anyone here every seen (successfully) a larger and smaller corn housed together? (both of mine are adults just the little guy on the right was a rescue job and was severely underfed). Would like some opinions? If I introduced them out of the tank would they display aggressive behavior to give me a hint or not? Want to know if its possible or not as ideally dont want another viv.

Nagini Salazar Apollo
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Kellog
the nice one

United Kingdom
7308 Posts

Posted - 19/11/2014 :  09:49:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have replied on your other thread but one thing I would say is that if the male has had a bad start in life then he may get easily stressed being in with another snake, let alone one bigger than him. The last thing you want is him to stop feeding.

Unfortunately you often don't know there is an issue until it's too late. This shows what can happen (don't open if you are squeamish) - http://squamishserpents.ca/care-info/can-i-keep-multiple-snakes-in-one-enclosure As for signs of stress hopefully this will help - http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11887

Xxx


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