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| Welshlamb |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 11:08:07
Not sure whether I should be posting this here. Very sad news indeed.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/python-attack-snake-kills-two-sleeping-boys-223003357.html#k73gs9R
Already people are saying about banning the keeping of reptiles as a result to this freak incident. Although I'm sure this is a very rare occurrence. Very upsetting and I cant begin to imagine how the parents must be feeling.
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| Thorne Walker |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 22:03:47
More updates:
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/08/zoo-to-remove-reptiles-from-building-where-python-killed-boys/
quote:
Bruce Dougan, the manager of the Magnetic Hill Zoo in Moncton, N.B., says it could take two days to safely remove 16 animals that the shop didn’t have permits for and put them into crates.
Dougan, who has been inside Reptile Ocean and is helping in the removal of the animals, says there are four large American alligators, six crocodiles, some tortoises, turtles and snakes in the shop.
He says the tortoises will be going to his zoo, while the rest of the animals seized will be taken to the Indian River Reptile zoo in Ontario.
I'd also like to add for all those calling for legislation... It already exists...
Nothing venomous, No Crocs, No lizards over 2m and no snakes over 3m.
The pet shop owner was already in violation of the existing laws.. New ones won't do anything that the old ones weren't doing... |
| Welshlamb |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 20:27:49
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Originally posted by tk72
Did not mean to sound to confrontational in my post. And we all have an opinion. Mine might not be the right one. Just what I think. And to be fair Welshlamb if you hadn't posted it someone else would have. Not having a go at you at all.
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| tk72 |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:27:10
Did not mean to sound to confrontational in my post. And we all have an opinion. Mine might not be the right one. Just what I think. And to be fair Welshlamb if you hadn't posted it someone else would have. Not having a go at you at all. |
| mjpeters |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:20:48
personally I'm all for rules to govern the keeping of ANY potentially lethal pet.
I have experience of how these cute little snakes can sneak up in size.I had a python that was eating a piglet a month,and thought no more of it until I had my first child.
Then it dawned on me that I was sharing my home with a large predator with a small brain and my baby was the size of what it was eating.The snake went to a zoo and is still there.
My point is;if that snake had not been readily available as a pet,I would not have bought it,never have had the slightest risk.I am just as happy with my various snakes now and my children are growing up'snake aware'.
I do admire the lovely colours that are available in the giant snakes,but hey take a look on Ians viv. or at Multicorn,or any of the bright and beautiful corns put up here!
I believe there MUST be responsibility from the breeders of these snakes.
Do the new owners get vetted?
are the baby snakes microchipped?
do new owners sign an undertaking to return the snake to the breeder if they can't keep it any more?
This was the kind of 'contract'I had when breeding Mastiffs.I never sold to people in flats(risk of ligament damage with big dogs and steps}never to young (25yrs and under)single men,and I took a couple of dogs back over the years.
It is horrendous that this tragedy has happened.As long as people keep
big predators with small brains,I believe that there is the risk that it will. |
| ArronB |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:00:44
I agree with you guys something is definately off. |
| gmac |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:52:03
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Originally posted by Welshlamb
I knew people would be considerate when making posts.
agree ;) |
| Welshlamb |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:49:56
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Originally posted by gmac
no wont delete it, folks are entitles to have their own opinions, the one above is just mine is all
I do agree, the focus should be on the losses.
Tbh I wish I did not put the starting post up, but as such a understanding community here, I knew people would be considerate when making posts. I should have spent a lot more time thinking over the title. As its a very sensitive issue. |
| gmac |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:42:41
no wont delete it, folks are entitles to have their own opinions, the one above is just mine is all |
| Welshlamb |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:37:55
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Originally posted by gmac
I agree with TK, I have deliberately left these threads alone on FB and forums but shall add a little of what goes on in my head.
There are organisations globally every day of the week no matter what trying to have exotics banned as pets, we deal with it and move on.
This should never have been a time for groups forums etc all jumping on the oh the snake didnt do it bandwagon, it should have always been about the kids that have tragically lost their lives in this incident.
These kids should be mourned not turned into a circus where the reptile owners are just as bad as the antis in this instance being seen to be more caring about the snake or damming all the snake owners than that of the 2 poor souls that have been lost.
There will be time later once all the findings have been published for everyone to have an opinion on what happened either way.
Agreed. Perhaps the thread should be deleted. If its causing so much controversy. Apologies to anyone who has been offended or upset due to the topic. |
| gmac |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:18:37
I agree with TK, I have deliberately left these threads alone on FB and forums but shall add a little of what goes on in my head.
There are organisations globally every day of the week no matter what trying to have exotics banned as pets, we deal with it and move on.
This should never have been a time for groups forums etc all jumping on the oh the snake didnt do it bandwagon, it should have always been about the kids that have tragically lost their lives in this incident.
These kids should be mourned not turned into a circus where the reptile owners are just as bad as the antis in this instance being seen to be more caring about the snake or damming all the snake owners than that of the 2 poor souls that have been lost.
There will be time later once all the findings have been published for everyone to have an opinion on what happened either way. |
| Welshlamb |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 17:36:34
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Originally posted by tk72
Really tragic. But surely the original post should be bad day for parents not reptile owners. And as for people implying the children where murdered, well let's not be to hasty people. It's a very emotive issue as we all have reptiles but let's be honest surely a person's life should come before anyone's pet. And there should be strickter rules on big snake ownership. As to be fair the idiot who can buy dangerous dogs for a status symbol can easily buy a Rick python or anconda for less then a couple of hundred quid and have no idea on how big/strong/ care requirements it will need. And then when tragic accidents do happen say " I didn't know that would happen"
That size of animal with that amount of strengthshould have some form of regulations put on it. In my opinion.
Your right about the title, but starting a topic like this is difficult without offending or upsetting anyone.
Its very tragic and my sincere condolences go out to the family and everyone effected from the tragic loss of those two little boys. Nothing can be more upsetting than hearing of such a horrific thing happening.
But the title was due to the bad media focus on reptile keepers and the posts made on articles from non-reptile keepers. Labelling everyone who has a reptile as a poor keeper and banning reptiles is a strong comment to make, for people who do not or have little education on them.
I have heard people mentioning the news about the tragic loss of these two boys. Many saying then ending the conversation with reptiles should not be allowed as pets.
I don't know the full factual information of this case, but know that people will take this opportunity to give reptile keepers a bad name.
I 100% agree, there should be more stringent rules and regs on the keeping of snakes / reptiles. I'd happily let that happen, knowing that my snakes are receiving the full and proper care.
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| tk72 |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 07:41:01
Really tragic. But surely the original post should be bad day for parents not reptile owners. And as for people implying the children where murdered, well let's not be to hasty people. It's a very emotive issue as we all have reptiles but let's be honest surely a person's life should come before anyone's pet. And there should be strickter rules on big snake ownership. As to be fair the idiot who can buy dangerous dogs for a status symbol can easily buy a Rick python or anconda for less then a couple of hundred quid and have no idea on how big/strong/ care requirements it will need. And then when tragic accidents do happen say " I didn't know that would happen"
That size of animal with that amount of strengthshould have some form of regulations put on it. In my opinion. |
| gaz1974 |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 23:42:52
Absolubte tragedy that two innocent children have died. Time will no doubt bring the full picture as to what has happened.
Understandably kneejerk reactions banning snakes as pets etc. are being mooted in comments on news sites.
What people really need to do is take stock of the number people who are seriously injured or maimed by pet mammals before making judgment on reptiles.
It would be interesting to glean statistics on......
1.How many people contract serious illness such as toxicaris from dog or cat excrement?
2.How many children have been maimed or killed by dogs?
3.People ending up with blood poisoning from cat bites?
Most reptile owners don't go unleashing their retic or burm at a kids party or down the local park. How many potentially dangerous dogs do you see running free at the local recreation ground? You see parents letting their small children poke and pull the dog around?
If the authorities choose to ban large snakes as pets they should also apply a consistent approach by banning Alsations, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Dalmations, Japanese Akitas, English Bull Terriers, Rotweillers and any other dog that is capable of causing catasrophic injury to a human.
I personally love all the animals mentioned above and feel that a blanket ban on having any of them would be a dreadful shame. I guess I'm just making the point to the people making these kneejerk comments on news sites (who I suspect won't be reading this) that perhaps they should gain the facts and exercise logic before making comments.
It is a massive tragedy, however surely taking the above into account should not result in a ban on large reptiles...ok perhaps a better licensing system perhaps, this also being exercised for certain mammals.
Condolances go out to the family. |
| Thorne Walker |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 21:05:00
Some of the latest updates:
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The two boys killed by an African rock python in Campbellton, N.B., died from asphyxiation, say preliminary results of autopsies released by the RCMP
The necropsy on the snake shows that it was in overall good health but they are still waiting for a final report.
The great uncle of the boys, said they spent Monday with family friend, who took them to a farm where they played with lamas, goats, horses, dogs and cats before they returned to his apartment for a sleepover.
Paul (Little Ray) Goulet, founder and co-owner of Little Ray’s Reptile Zoo in Ottawa, said if the children smelled like the animals they were playing with at the farm, it could explain an attack.
“This is the reasonable explanation of how this has happened is that they had been playing with farm animals, they did smell like their prey items and the snake sadly enough mistook them as a food item when they weren’t,” Goulet said Tuesday.
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/07/2-boys-killed-by-python-died-from-asphyxiation/
I still find myself wondering why the noise didn't alert anyone else in the household... |
| smart bunny |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 07:47:26
Apparently it has now been destroyed, poor thing
So sorry for those 2 little boys |
| sonia666 |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 07:44:28
I have to agree with what people are saying here, this is a sad day for any reptile keeper as it only shows the bad, you never hear any good story's about reptile in the news as it just doesn't sell.
I have to say that i agree with it being strange behaviour for the animal and now it has been reported that the animal has been destroyed as the owner did not have to correct paperwork for it.
It is sad when a person is killed by any animal but most of the time it is irresponsible owners who can not understand what they are keeping or how to house an animal that big and it is not the animals fault, they are only doing what is natural to them. |
| scottishbluebird |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 22:20:10
As everyone has said, something very wrong going on there, just does not add up |
| Thorne Walker |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:56:43
A "Reptile Expert" weighs in..
http://www.680news.com/2013/08/06/raw-video-expert-on-type-of-python-that-killed-2-n-b-boys/
Pretty neutral and factual given all the hype and the conspicuous removal of the interviewer's questions...
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| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:14:24
I'm going to chime on this too, as I think a majority of people in the reptile community are feeling the same way..
First and foremost, I believe everyone is shocked and saddened that two kids have lost their lives. It's tragic. All other sensationalist stories aside, this is what matters most.
However, secondly, I must agree with Thorne and most others that this does seem very, very strange. I can't say for 100% certainty, as none of us were there, and absolutely no-one, especially the media, is in full posession of the facts.
But it just doesn't seem right. Something feels fabricated here. I can't help but shake the feeling that in a few days the owner will be arrested for the suspected murder of these kids once the post mortems have been finished, and experts have been consulted. I just don't believe it would have happened so quickly as to not wake up the Owner (who was in the next room), and not wake up the second of the two kids.
Firstly it supposedly fell through the ceiling (this would have sounded like a bomb went off if a 100lb African Rock fell from this height), and then began working it's way to the first victim. Argh I just don't know, it's just not right. There's too many convenient and circumstantial things at play.
Like I said first and foremost though, before we run away with the fanciful idea of being our own detectives, let's just remain civil and pray for those two kids. |
| Thorne Walker |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:32:26
I for one am calling BS on this..
From a behavioral standpoint there is nothing about a sleeping boy child that should awaken the 'eat that' instinct.
If it fell through the ceiling and crushed them with it's weight.. that I'd admit as a possibility...
Big difference between crush and strangle though.. I'm waiting on the autopsy results and the quiet revelation that in fact one of the humans was responsible..
I'm also kinda miffed that the news outlets keep using a Boa as a 'look a snake' image to go along with the story... And that there is no mention of the already existing prohibitions on keeping 'large' snakes across the country (Ie here in Ontario I couldn't legally keep a Rock python because they are >3m long)
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