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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Lisa west lothian
Egg
United Kingdom
76 Posts |
 Posted - 06/08/2013 : 11:23:22
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| Very sad indeed, can't help but think there more to this story tho or am I reading it completely wrong ? |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 11:29:54
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Originally posted by Lisa west lothian
Very sad indeed, can't help but think there more to this story tho or am I reading it completely wrong ?
Most likely more to the story. Tragic and very sad, But await the backlash down to the way the media has presented it. With all media, they always have to find someone to target. In this case the shop owner, also causing mass majority of non-reptile keepers to try and blame reptile keepers.
When in actual fact this is a very rare accident. |
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ScaryVonHayleystine
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1773 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 11:53:11
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| As the article said, more people are killed by dogs than by snakes and yet no one tries to stop people owning dogs... |
Albino Addiction ... <3
0.1.0 - Creamsicle Cornsnake (Mo)
1.0.0 - Bubblegum Snow Corn (Gabriel)
1.0.0 - Lavendar 100% Het Hypo Corn (Ezra)
1.0.0 - Bairds Rat Snake (Lazarus)
0.0.1 - Crested Gecko (Pan) |
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serena_08
Yearling
United Kingdom
784 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:08:48
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| It is sad indeed, and I do believe there is more to the story than being let on too. Why would a snake just kill not to eat, let alone twice. |
1.0.0 Corn: D-Bo (Amel)
1.0.0 Western Hognose: C*ntyB*ll*cks
0.1.0 MBK: Rosa
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko: Zuko
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Kobe
0.0.1 Fire Bellied Toad: Snoop
1.1.0 Cats: Penny and Sheldon
1.0.0 Staffy: MooMoo
I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
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Coal
Hatchling
449 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:09:33
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| This is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family who has lost two sons. I hope (perhaps naively) that the truth of exactly how this incident occurred (if the snake was underfed/poorly housed, etc.) will be found, any guilty parties will be dealt with according to the law, and the media and public at large will realise this is a very rare occurrence and by no means reflective of herp-keepers in general. |
'Lovecraft' - CB12 male amel
'Sarnath' - CB13 male KSB (anery, het. albino) |
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LukeW
Hatchling
United Kingdom
276 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:52:54
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| I thought to myself, something's not right because snakes usually kill to eat (weather it's too large or not they will still try) as someone said no idea why it did it once let alone twice |
Female normal - Cyrus (can't think of a girl name :p)
Male charcoal - Midnight
Female amel - Lilly
Female CB13 anery 100% het sunkissed - Ariel.
Male CB13 fire 100% het stripe, 50% het hypo, anery and lavender
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 13:08:23
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Very sad. I heard it on the news this morning and could barely believe it had happened  |
2.4.0 Corn snakes
1.0.0 horse
0.1.0 Golden retriever
1.4.0 Guinea pigs |
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ScaryVonHayleystine
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1773 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 13:33:36
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| Bit morbid but for all we know the guardians probably used the snake as a murder weapon to blame the snake, or the snake was severely provoked by the kids. |
Albino Addiction ... <3
0.1.0 - Creamsicle Cornsnake (Mo)
1.0.0 - Bubblegum Snow Corn (Gabriel)
1.0.0 - Lavendar 100% Het Hypo Corn (Ezra)
1.0.0 - Bairds Rat Snake (Lazarus)
0.0.1 - Crested Gecko (Pan) |
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twistedmonkey
Hatchling
United Kingdom
132 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 14:24:40
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Very sad news my heart goes out to the parents, two young lives lost in tragic circumstances.
Its amazing how a tragic accident spawns such a witch hunt! People are too quick to fear the unknown which makes it typical to jump on a story before all the facts are known and the media doesn't help by envoking more panic. We dont know how the snake escaped, what conditions it was kept in, if the boys were awake and provoked the snake. It could also have reacted badly due to a new environment and was stressed feeling trapped in a room with two humans.
Too many factors and possibilities but the snake will prob be put down just for being what nature intended it to be |
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hayleylsl
Egg
United Kingdom
98 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 19:05:22
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| I think there is much more to the story than is being reported-It is a tragedy that 2 young boys lost their lives howsever they died but the story seems so unlikely and I think it probably involves other people than a reptile :-( |
1.0.0 CB 12 Amel Motley- Boris
0.2.0 cats Grizabella and Jennyanydots
Foster cat: Jasper who has a healing broken pelvis |
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 19:17:43
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| The story is too far fetched to me to be true. The snake is made out to be some kind of calculating killer which is just not possible. Behaviourally it doesn't fit the bill either. I can't help but think it was rather *handy* being able to blame a large snake for something.. |
      
3.1.0 Corn snakes, 1.0.0 T-Albino Cape House Snake, 0.1.0 Western Hognose,
1.0.0 MBK, 0.1.0 Childrens Python, 1.0.0 Nicaraguan Dwarf Boas
0.0.1 Occelated Skink, 1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, 1.0.3 Tarantulas, 0.0.2 Damon diadema
1.0.0 C0ckatiel,
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:32:26
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I for one am calling BS on this..
From a behavioral standpoint there is nothing about a sleeping boy child that should awaken the 'eat that' instinct.
If it fell through the ceiling and crushed them with it's weight.. that I'd admit as a possibility...
Big difference between crush and strangle though.. I'm waiting on the autopsy results and the quiet revelation that in fact one of the humans was responsible..
I'm also kinda miffed that the news outlets keep using a Boa as a 'look a snake' image to go along with the story... And that there is no mention of the already existing prohibitions on keeping 'large' snakes across the country (Ie here in Ontario I couldn't legally keep a Rock python because they are >3m long)
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1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:14:24
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I'm going to chime on this too, as I think a majority of people in the reptile community are feeling the same way..
First and foremost, I believe everyone is shocked and saddened that two kids have lost their lives. It's tragic. All other sensationalist stories aside, this is what matters most.
However, secondly, I must agree with Thorne and most others that this does seem very, very strange. I can't say for 100% certainty, as none of us were there, and absolutely no-one, especially the media, is in full posession of the facts.
But it just doesn't seem right. Something feels fabricated here. I can't help but shake the feeling that in a few days the owner will be arrested for the suspected murder of these kids once the post mortems have been finished, and experts have been consulted. I just don't believe it would have happened so quickly as to not wake up the Owner (who was in the next room), and not wake up the second of the two kids.
Firstly it supposedly fell through the ceiling (this would have sounded like a bomb went off if a 100lb African Rock fell from this height), and then began working it's way to the first victim. Argh I just don't know, it's just not right. There's too many convenient and circumstantial things at play.
Like I said first and foremost though, before we run away with the fanciful idea of being our own detectives, let's just remain civil and pray for those two kids. |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
8403 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 22:20:10
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| As everyone has said, something very wrong going on there, just does not add up |
     
0.1.0 Corn - Kellogs
1.0.0 Hognose - Storm
0.1.0 Staffy - Lyla
1.0.0 Spaffy(staffy x springer)-Spyro
1.0.0 Ferret - Peanut R.I.P
0.1.0 Crestie - Fudge. Wish List - Pygmy hedgehog. Tropiocolotes |
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sonia666
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
48 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 07:44:28
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I have to agree with what people are saying here, this is a sad day for any reptile keeper as it only shows the bad, you never hear any good story's about reptile in the news as it just doesn't sell.
I have to say that i agree with it being strange behaviour for the animal and now it has been reported that the animal has been destroyed as the owner did not have to correct paperwork for it.
It is sad when a person is killed by any animal but most of the time it is irresponsible owners who can not understand what they are keeping or how to house an animal that big and it is not the animals fault, they are only doing what is natural to them. |
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 07:47:26
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Apparently it has now been destroyed, poor thing
So sorry for those 2 little boys |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 21:05:00
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Some of the latest updates:
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The two boys killed by an African rock python in Campbellton, N.B., died from asphyxiation, say preliminary results of autopsies released by the RCMP
The necropsy on the snake shows that it was in overall good health but they are still waiting for a final report.
The great uncle of the boys, said they spent Monday with family friend, who took them to a farm where they played with lamas, goats, horses, dogs and cats before they returned to his apartment for a sleepover.
Paul (Little Ray) Goulet, founder and co-owner of Little Ray’s Reptile Zoo in Ottawa, said if the children smelled like the animals they were playing with at the farm, it could explain an attack.
“This is the reasonable explanation of how this has happened is that they had been playing with farm animals, they did smell like their prey items and the snake sadly enough mistook them as a food item when they weren’t,” Goulet said Tuesday.
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/07/2-boys-killed-by-python-died-from-asphyxiation/
I still find myself wondering why the noise didn't alert anyone else in the household... |
1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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gaz1974
Hatchling
United Kingdom
146 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 23:42:52
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Absolubte tragedy that two innocent children have died. Time will no doubt bring the full picture as to what has happened.
Understandably kneejerk reactions banning snakes as pets etc. are being mooted in comments on news sites.
What people really need to do is take stock of the number people who are seriously injured or maimed by pet mammals before making judgment on reptiles.
It would be interesting to glean statistics on......
1.How many people contract serious illness such as toxicaris from dog or cat excrement?
2.How many children have been maimed or killed by dogs?
3.People ending up with blood poisoning from cat bites?
Most reptile owners don't go unleashing their retic or burm at a kids party or down the local park. How many potentially dangerous dogs do you see running free at the local recreation ground? You see parents letting their small children poke and pull the dog around?
If the authorities choose to ban large snakes as pets they should also apply a consistent approach by banning Alsations, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Dalmations, Japanese Akitas, English Bull Terriers, Rotweillers and any other dog that is capable of causing catasrophic injury to a human.
I personally love all the animals mentioned above and feel that a blanket ban on having any of them would be a dreadful shame. I guess I'm just making the point to the people making these kneejerk comments on news sites (who I suspect won't be reading this) that perhaps they should gain the facts and exercise logic before making comments.
It is a massive tragedy, however surely taking the above into account should not result in a ban on large reptiles...ok perhaps a better licensing system perhaps, this also being exercised for certain mammals.
Condolances go out to the family. |
0.1.0 CB 11Amel Corn "Fuzzy"
0.1.0 CB14 Hypo Jungle Boa "Fizzy"
Pair of Woma Pythons |
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tk72
Hatchling
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 07:41:01
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Really tragic. But surely the original post should be bad day for parents not reptile owners. And as for people implying the children where murdered, well let's not be to hasty people. It's a very emotive issue as we all have reptiles but let's be honest surely a person's life should come before anyone's pet. And there should be strickter rules on big snake ownership. As to be fair the idiot who can buy dangerous dogs for a status symbol can easily buy a Rick python or anconda for less then a couple of hundred quid and have no idea on how big/strong/ care requirements it will need. And then when tragic accidents do happen say " I didn't know that would happen"
That size of animal with that amount of strengthshould have some form of regulations put on it. In my opinion. |
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