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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08/08/2013 : 17:36:34
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Originally posted by tk72
Really tragic. But surely the original post should be bad day for parents not reptile owners. And as for people implying the children where murdered, well let's not be to hasty people. It's a very emotive issue as we all have reptiles but let's be honest surely a person's life should come before anyone's pet. And there should be strickter rules on big snake ownership. As to be fair the idiot who can buy dangerous dogs for a status symbol can easily buy a Rick python or anconda for less then a couple of hundred quid and have no idea on how big/strong/ care requirements it will need. And then when tragic accidents do happen say " I didn't know that would happen"
That size of animal with that amount of strengthshould have some form of regulations put on it. In my opinion.
Your right about the title, but starting a topic like this is difficult without offending or upsetting anyone.
Its very tragic and my sincere condolences go out to the family and everyone effected from the tragic loss of those two little boys. Nothing can be more upsetting than hearing of such a horrific thing happening.
But the title was due to the bad media focus on reptile keepers and the posts made on articles from non-reptile keepers. Labelling everyone who has a reptile as a poor keeper and banning reptiles is a strong comment to make, for people who do not or have little education on them.
I have heard people mentioning the news about the tragic loss of these two boys. Many saying then ending the conversation with reptiles should not be allowed as pets.
I don't know the full factual information of this case, but know that people will take this opportunity to give reptile keepers a bad name.
I 100% agree, there should be more stringent rules and regs on the keeping of snakes / reptiles. I'd happily let that happen, knowing that my snakes are receiving the full and proper care.
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:18:37
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I agree with TK, I have deliberately left these threads alone on FB and forums but shall add a little of what goes on in my head.
There are organisations globally every day of the week no matter what trying to have exotics banned as pets, we deal with it and move on.
This should never have been a time for groups forums etc all jumping on the oh the snake didnt do it bandwagon, it should have always been about the kids that have tragically lost their lives in this incident.
These kids should be mourned not turned into a circus where the reptile owners are just as bad as the antis in this instance being seen to be more caring about the snake or damming all the snake owners than that of the 2 poor souls that have been lost.
There will be time later once all the findings have been published for everyone to have an opinion on what happened either way. |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:37:55
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Originally posted by gmac
I agree with TK, I have deliberately left these threads alone on FB and forums but shall add a little of what goes on in my head.
There are organisations globally every day of the week no matter what trying to have exotics banned as pets, we deal with it and move on.
This should never have been a time for groups forums etc all jumping on the oh the snake didnt do it bandwagon, it should have always been about the kids that have tragically lost their lives in this incident.
These kids should be mourned not turned into a circus where the reptile owners are just as bad as the antis in this instance being seen to be more caring about the snake or damming all the snake owners than that of the 2 poor souls that have been lost.
There will be time later once all the findings have been published for everyone to have an opinion on what happened either way.
Agreed. Perhaps the thread should be deleted. If its causing so much controversy. Apologies to anyone who has been offended or upset due to the topic. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:42:41
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| no wont delete it, folks are entitles to have their own opinions, the one above is just mine is all |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:49:56
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Originally posted by gmac
no wont delete it, folks are entitles to have their own opinions, the one above is just mine is all
I do agree, the focus should be on the losses.
Tbh I wish I did not put the starting post up, but as such a understanding community here, I knew people would be considerate when making posts. I should have spent a lot more time thinking over the title. As its a very sensitive issue. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:52:03
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Originally posted by Welshlamb
I knew people would be considerate when making posts.
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ArronB
Egg
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:00:44
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1.0.0 Amel Corn snake (Stanley)
1.0.0 Royal Python (Monty)
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet Python (Cleo)
0.1.0 Sprocker spaniel (Holly)
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:20:48
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personally I'm all for rules to govern the keeping of ANY potentially lethal pet.
I have experience of how these cute little snakes can sneak up in size.I had a python that was eating a piglet a month,and thought no more of it until I had my first child.
Then it dawned on me that I was sharing my home with a large predator with a small brain and my baby was the size of what it was eating.The snake went to a zoo and is still there.
My point is;if that snake had not been readily available as a pet,I would not have bought it,never have had the slightest risk.I am just as happy with my various snakes now and my children are growing up'snake aware'.
I do admire the lovely colours that are available in the giant snakes,but hey take a look on Ians viv. or at Multicorn,or any of the bright and beautiful corns put up here!
I believe there MUST be responsibility from the breeders of these snakes.
Do the new owners get vetted?
are the baby snakes microchipped?
do new owners sign an undertaking to return the snake to the breeder if they can't keep it any more?
This was the kind of 'contract'I had when breeding Mastiffs.I never sold to people in flats(risk of ligament damage with big dogs and steps}never to young (25yrs and under)single men,and I took a couple of dogs back over the years.
It is horrendous that this tragedy has happened.As long as people keep
big predators with small brains,I believe that there is the risk that it will. |
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tk72
Hatchling
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 19:27:10
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| Did not mean to sound to confrontational in my post. And we all have an opinion. Mine might not be the right one. Just what I think. And to be fair Welshlamb if you hadn't posted it someone else would have. Not having a go at you at all. |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 20:27:49
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Originally posted by tk72
Did not mean to sound to confrontational in my post. And we all have an opinion. Mine might not be the right one. Just what I think. And to be fair Welshlamb if you hadn't posted it someone else would have. Not having a go at you at all.
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 22:03:47
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More updates:
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/08/zoo-to-remove-reptiles-from-building-where-python-killed-boys/
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Bruce Dougan, the manager of the Magnetic Hill Zoo in Moncton, N.B., says it could take two days to safely remove 16 animals that the shop didn’t have permits for and put them into crates.
Dougan, who has been inside Reptile Ocean and is helping in the removal of the animals, says there are four large American alligators, six crocodiles, some tortoises, turtles and snakes in the shop.
He says the tortoises will be going to his zoo, while the rest of the animals seized will be taken to the Indian River Reptile zoo in Ontario.
I'd also like to add for all those calling for legislation... It already exists...
Nothing venomous, No Crocs, No lizards over 2m and no snakes over 3m.
The pet shop owner was already in violation of the existing laws.. New ones won't do anything that the old ones weren't doing... |
1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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