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| Katie.Dublin |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 20:32:51
Anybody win any money? Who did yous all have? RIP Synchronised :( A great horse and a sad loss! |
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| SexyBear77 |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 20:03:03
I love the National, the people saying the jumps ought to be made smaller obviously don't know a great deal, but I do think the field needs to be made smaller.
Always loved racing, always will. |
| Katie.Dublin |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 19:37:05
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
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Originally posted by Katie.Dublin
Not impossible stapey no, although this obviously depends on the break itself. A friend of mine's horse broke his leg, Solo was his name. He had to be harnessed to the ceiling for 6 months to let it heal. Obviously due to the industry of racing this isn't possible for most thoroughbreds. They're competition horses, athletes! They generally don't do well as pets. You couldn't simply leave them in a field to fend for themselves like. That's where we have the issue of starving abandoned horses starting!
As Georgina said, thoroughbreds are bred to run. Specifically they are either flat bred or national hunt bred (jumps). The latter is a stockier type of horse with a natural ability to jump fences at speed. (We have one of them in training at the minute). To say lotabob, that national hunt racing is the act of ''forcing a horse to jump fences'' is an ignorant statement and shows that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't trying to start a debate here, I was just passing comment about one of the most highly profiled races on the calendar, in the hopes that maybe there are people who share my interest.
Ah ok makes much more sense now. Never really been interested in horses you see they scare they hell out of me so I just kinda presumed it would be like fixing a dog legs or something. I don't mind it as a sport or whatever, just wish there was a better output for any horse that did get hurt that's all, specially since you hear about all these dumped race horses and stuff. Not saying everyone is bad just obviously some are.
Shame they didn't shoot it so it could have been used for food for something.
Would have gone to the meat factory alright. They get bolted. Same as shot but it's a reusable gun. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 15:52:14
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Originally posted by Katie.Dublin
Not impossible stapey no, although this obviously depends on the break itself. A friend of mine's horse broke his leg, Solo was his name. He had to be harnessed to the ceiling for 6 months to let it heal. Obviously due to the industry of racing this isn't possible for most thoroughbreds. They're competition horses, athletes! They generally don't do well as pets. You couldn't simply leave them in a field to fend for themselves like. That's where we have the issue of starving abandoned horses starting!
As Georgina said, thoroughbreds are bred to run. Specifically they are either flat bred or national hunt bred (jumps). The latter is a stockier type of horse with a natural ability to jump fences at speed. (We have one of them in training at the minute). To say lotabob, that national hunt racing is the act of ''forcing a horse to jump fences'' is an ignorant statement and shows that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't trying to start a debate here, I was just passing comment about one of the most highly profiled races on the calendar, in the hopes that maybe there are people who share my interest.
Ah ok makes much more sense now. Never really been interested in horses you see they scare they hell out of me so I just kinda presumed it would be like fixing a dog legs or something. I don't mind it as a sport or whatever, just wish there was a better output for any horse that did get hurt that's all, specially since you hear about all these dumped race horses and stuff. Not saying everyone is bad just obviously some are.
Shame they didn't shoot it so it could have been used for food for something. |
| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 14:55:22
Interesting topic of conversation so far. Personally I think it's an incredibly entertaining race, living in Epsom of course I'm going to appreciate horse racing. However, whichever side you're on you have to appreciate that these horses are bred for a reason, and treated very well up until the point where they are put through their paces. Of course however I feel a loss for each and every animal that falls, however they are killed because it's the humane thing to do at the time, rather than just selfish owners not being bothered.
If you believe it's too harsh to breed animals to with them as we please, then by the same logic (up to a point), we wouldn't have any food, any dog races, any pets. In each instance, animals were never designed to be controlled by us, they're all wild.
But at the end of the day, we live in a world where we have the ability to decide how we feel, and partake/not partake as we choose. Don't put bets on, be a vegetarian, etc. We are all allowed our own opinions on every conceivable subject.
Isn't that something to be happy about?  |
| Georgina |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 14:43:23
Well said mamma xxx |
| Mamma |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 14:35:44
Sorry. Im not one for horse racing. Never in my life put a bet on. Never will. I understand what everyone is saying. I just dont like the idea of horse racing. Same with dogs too. I have a friend who takes in abandoned racing dogs too. Alot of the dogs she takes in are in awful conditions  (not saying any of the horses are. Just speaking about the dogs she has taken in)
Each to their own tho Much like im not a fan of hunting either, whereas I know some people are.
I think EVERYONE in their life does or likes something that is taboo and alot of debate over. Debate is good for the soul  |
| lupi lou |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 14:15:31
other half had one of his place 3rd so got £4.50! first time he's bet on a race. its a topic which will always be debated, you would have a hard time forcing a horse to do anything it doesn't want to as my boy proves regulary! there is always a risk that something can go wrong no matter how well designed a course is. there are some aspects of racing that i personaly am not comfortable with but i don't belive any of those horses where forced over them fences, it is horrible that two horses lost their lives but at least vets are on site so the animals do not have to suffer whilst waiting for a vet to arrive. we had a horse break its leg whilst out in the field that poor guy had to wait 45 minuets for the vet to arrive. accidents do unfortunatly happen not matter how much planing and care has been taken
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| Okeetee Mick |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 11:26:10
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Originally posted by Katie.Dublin
Not impossible stapey no, although this obviously depends on the break itself. A friend of mine's horse broke his leg, Solo was his name. He had to be harnessed to the ceiling for 6 months to let it heal. Obviously due to the industry of racing this isn't possible for most thoroughbreds. They're competition horses, athletes! They generally don't do well as pets. You couldn't simply leave them in a field to fend for themselves like. That's where we have the issue of starving abandoned horses starting!
As Georgina said, thoroughbreds are bred to run. Specifically they are either flat bred or national hunt bred (jumps). The latter is a stockier type of horse with a natural ability to jump fences at speed. (We have one of them in training at the minute). To say lotabob, that national hunt racing is the act of ''forcing a horse to jump fences'' is an ignorant statement and shows that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't trying to start a debate here, I was just passing comment about one of the most highly profiled races on the calendar, in the hopes that maybe there are people who share my interest.
With you all the way on this one Katie, great sport. |
| Vince_the_snake |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 08:59:05
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I'm just disgusted. Shameless animal abuse.
I completely agree!
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| cheekygit |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 05:10:54
If horses are raised into a harness in order for a broken leg to heal..because obviously they cannot walk on a broken leg...then while in a harness they develop pneumonia and would die suffering even more...hence most leg breaks results in horses being put down to save on sufferin..at the time of the races, the horses are high on adrenaline so don't feel the pain as such. thats why they are put down on the course, before they start to suffer with the injury....god knows if that helps anyone, not trying to be an expert, just repeating what the vet said on tv :) |
| Katie.Dublin |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 01:07:36
Not impossible stapey no, although this obviously depends on the break itself. A friend of mine's horse broke his leg, Solo was his name. He had to be harnessed to the ceiling for 6 months to let it heal. Obviously due to the industry of racing this isn't possible for most thoroughbreds. They're competition horses, athletes! They generally don't do well as pets. You couldn't simply leave them in a field to fend for themselves like. That's where we have the issue of starving abandoned horses starting!
As Georgina said, thoroughbreds are bred to run. Specifically they are either flat bred or national hunt bred (jumps). The latter is a stockier type of horse with a natural ability to jump fences at speed. (We have one of them in training at the minute). To say lotabob, that national hunt racing is the act of ''forcing a horse to jump fences'' is an ignorant statement and shows that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't trying to start a debate here, I was just passing comment about one of the most highly profiled races on the calendar, in the hopes that maybe there are people who share my interest. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 15/04/2012 : 00:34:45
Always wondered, once a horse breaks its leg is it impossible for it to heal or something? I never hear of a horse breaking its leg and then it walking again it's always pts. I always thought it was because the horse could no longer race or really be used any more but I honestly have no idea. Just seems a tad sad if they can walk again that they get pts because they can no longer race or what ever.
I've never bought a loto tickets so I didn't even think to bet on horse. |
| kat99 |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 23:25:49
the horses woodnt jump the jumps if they didnt want 2 n its only harnessing there wild nature 2 jump over obseticals n look at the loose horses who carried on jumping if the didnt like or want 2 do it they woodnt do it
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| nicoleleadbetterx |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 22:39:58
got to agree with the ones saying its animal abuse. dont agree with it 2bh... |
| Georgina |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:28:13
at the end of the day, its what they are bred for, to run that race. just like we breed animals to eat, to feed to our animals. all we can do is look at how we can improve the saftey of the race, which is what they are doing. x |
| nickyff |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:25:15
after protests by 'animal lovers' a while back, they did actually reduce the height of the fences in the national,(beechers used to be 6'6", now none are above 5ft)
BUT... what's happened now is that because the fences are lower, so the general speed of the race as a whole has risen, leading to MORE horses falling, and consequently a higher incidence of loss of injured animals.
talk about not thinking it through....
apparently they're now considering putting the fence heights back up to what they used to be |
| lotabob |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:20:12
I don't need to own a horse to have an opinion. I'm not saying horse racing or horse riding is abuse, I rode horses for many years myself. I'm saying forcing horses over jumps that can injure them so badly they have to be put out of their misery where they fall is absolutely disgusting. Whether this is the jumps design or the horses inability to jump it shouldn't come to any animal having to die in the name of sport/entertainment. Do the jumps actually add anything to the race other than danger? |
| Katie.Dublin |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:12:23
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Originally posted by lotabob
Deadly serious.
Then ya don't know much about the sport. I've plenty of contacts in racing and we own a horse. Treated better than you could even believe! |
| Georgina |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:12:19
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Originally posted by Ninja Girl
I love the colour of your western hognose snake, Very beautiful and soz for your loss katie, I love horses :)
thankyou, hes my special little man, hes only teeny, he started feeding again today after a 4 week fast x |
| Donnie |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 21:11:54
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Originally posted by lotabob
I'm just disgusted. Shameless animal abuse.
I agree, it is just not sport when animals are killed so regularly. 2 this year and the same last year, if they feel the national has to continue then they need to seriously change the height of the fences. |
