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cattNmo
Hatchling
182 Posts |
 Posted - 27/03/2012 : 17:13:35
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| Guys I'm trying to work out how I can fit the most number of snake in to a spear space I have. I know lots of people keep them in rubs. For an adult corn which size do you use. I know the 33l, 50l and 64l all have the same floor size however the walls are different hights. Which is best? |
Three corns, a dog, a cat, 2 kids and a future husband, Yes its a MAD HOUSE in leicester area.
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
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Cypher
Snake Mite
Australia
18 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 07:19:18
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I don't mean to offend anyone but I'd like to ask:
What's the point in keeping snakes in plastic containers if you can't see or appreciate them at all?
I mean a beautifully decorated glass viv would be more natural to them than a container lined with newspaper & toilet paper rolls...
I've honestly never understood people who say they're snake/reptile lovers & then keep their creatures in plastic containers stacked on top of eachother...I mean they're not mint condition comics or stamps...they're living beings being housed in containers. |
Edited by - Cypher on 28/03/2012 07:24:14 |
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Dancross0
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1315 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 07:52:32
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I suppose it's like having a beautifully decorated house, and then going to work for 9 hours, and sleeping for 7 hours...
Many people use them for housing snakes while they grow, or for large collections held by breeders.
eeji has 28 snakes listed in his sig. Imagine how much space 28 vivs would take up, and then imagine having to clean poop out of 28 well decorated vivs.
It's all about personal preference. I keep mine in vivs because I have the space and time to do so. And corns spend a lot of time hidden, so I could just have a wall full of nice pictures of vivs... |
Aguna CB11 Anery - Typhon CB12 Amber - Plissken CB08 Carolina - Iara CB11 Caramel
Indra CB12 Lavender (?) - Evren CB12 Carolina (?) - Ophis CB11 Hypo Lavender - Sirae CB11 Ghost Motley
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Casta
Hatchling
United Kingdom
335 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 09:30:03
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i've got my big lad in a 15o litre lockable tub and the hatchies in fauns... although when theyre bigger all are getting shifted into a stack... but then i'm sticking to 4  so long as the snakes get out occasionally for a wander whats the hassle wi rubs??? they're mostly hideaway creatures anyways... well least mine are. lucky if i see mine out. |
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claire_daz
Hatchling
United Kingdom
412 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 09:44:59
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i hope no-one will get offened cypher you aint been rude just putting an opinion (we are all adult here well most of us lol)
.... i agree casta mine hide away most of the time im normally looking into an empty viv full of loo rolls lol
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 07:19:18
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I don't mean to offend anyone but I'd like to ask:
What's the point in keeping snakes in plastic containers if you can't see or appreciate them at all?
I mean a beautifully decorated glass viv would be more natural to them than a container lined with newspaper & toilet paper rolls...
I've honestly never understood people who say they're snake/reptile lovers & then keep their creatures in plastic containers stacked on top of eachother...I mean they're not mint condition comics or stamps...they're living beings being housed in containers.
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on your last point though a viv is still a container just a sliding glass door away from a rub i asure you that everyone loves there snakey mates in this forum anyway |
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cattNmo
Hatchling
182 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 10:02:56
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| I understand there you are coming from with having them in vivs and my oldest two will be in dressed vivs. No mater what they live in a always use aspen bedding. In the future I am thinking about breeding (yes I understands the risks, care and money involved) so am looking at ways to house a few snakes comfortably with out looking like a reptile shop, until we move house and I have room for a reptile room lol |
Three corns, a dog, a cat, 2 kids and a future husband, Yes its a MAD HOUSE in leicester area.
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 11:35:54
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Originally posted by Cypher
I don't mean to offend anyone but I'd like to ask:
What's the point in keeping snakes in plastic containers if you can't see or appreciate them at all?
I mean a beautifully decorated glass viv would be more natural to them than a container lined with newspaper & toilet paper rolls...
I've honestly never understood people who say they're snake/reptile lovers & then keep their creatures in plastic containers stacked on top of eachother...I mean they're not mint condition comics or stamps...they're living beings being housed in containers.
it does the snake no harm to be in them. I personally use them until the snake is big enough to go into its adult viv. It saves on upgrading viv sizes every time its needed, money wise.
And to be honest it is each to their own, and people shouldnt be pulled up about it.
You can decorate a rub just as well as a viv. Infact one of mine is better decorated than the vivs.
It doesnt make us any less of a snake/reptile lover. |
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Edited by - Mamma on 28/03/2012 11:39:25 |
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 13:55:11
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See i've been moving towards the idea of RUBs as they are much easier to keep clean and, as has been stated above, snakes spend most of their time hidden anyway. I seriously believe that the quality of life in a well maintained RUB is just as good as in a well maintained viv...
Whether I make the change-over will depend on how long the snakes continue pooping in the corners and runners of the vivs :P Makes it a right *** to clean! |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 20:10:40
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| I don't think its a matter of a viv being decorated or a RUB being bare afterall a RUB can be decorated just the same as the viv. Its floor space in my mind that concerns me. A 50ltr RUB provides very, very little space for an adult corn snake to move around especially once you get a cool hide and a warm hide in a RUB. Once again people trying to squeeze as many snakes as possible in to a small space. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2012 : 20:59:15
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no offence taken 
Its all down to personal preference and so long as the snakes needs are catered for then thats all that matters. Just because I choose not to have my snakes on display doesn't mean I don't appreciate them.
I don't have my RUBs elaborately decorated, just a loose substrate (aubiose), fake foliage and a water bowl. I don't use hides because the boxes aren't completely transparent, the substrate is deep enough for burrowing, the foliage provides good coverage and the water bowls are those plastic dog bowls that they use to hide under on the cool side.
All their needs are catered for - Somewhere to hide and feel safe, thermal gradient, food and water. Anything else is for our own satisfaction and visual pleasure.
The best thing about them though has to be the cleaning. No worrying about over wetting wood, no sharp corners to get into, no runners to worry about, just chuck it in the bath squirt a bit of bleach in, wipe clean and rinse out
At the end of the day we all keep our snakes in a box, just some are made of wood and some are made of plastic. |
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Cypher
Snake Mite
Australia
18 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 04:09:25
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Thanks for all the positive feedback. You guys have given me a positive insight into the use of rubs/containers.
My observation was from watching a documentary on zoos the other night & how the enclosures have changed over the years.
Y'know like back in the 80's elephants, bears,primates & big cats were kept in bare concrete enclosures & it was obvious how depressed & under stimulated they were.
Nowadays their enclosures is akin to their natural habitats with grass, tress, rocks & ponds...suffice to say, this has done wonders to the animals overall well-being.
I guess I'm just in 2 minds when I see an avid snake collector keeping a 4 ft snake in a rub that's not even big enough for the snake to fully stretch out & yet I know the collector is passionate about his creatures & the snake is well looked after... |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 12:48:07
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Originally posted by Cypher
Thanks for all the positive feedback. You guys have given me a positive insight into the use of rubs/containers.
My observation was from watching a documentary on zoos the other night & how the enclosures have changed over the years.
Y'know like back in the 80's elephants, bears,primates & big cats were kept in bare concrete enclosures & it was obvious how depressed & under stimulated they were.
Nowadays their enclosures is akin to their natural habitats with grass, tress, rocks & ponds...suffice to say, this has done wonders to the animals overall well-being.
I guess I'm just in 2 minds when I see an avid snake collector keeping a 4 ft snake in a rub that's not even big enough for the snake to fully stretch out & yet I know the collector is passionate about his creatures & the snake is well looked after...
Passionate about his creatures and looking after them well because they are making money on breeding them most probably. People keep snakes in RUBS so they can keep loads and breed them and try to make money from them. My sister is the same she keeps guinea pigs in very small cages so she can keep a loads and make money on them. Most breeders will claim they break even or make very little if any but I know thats not the case. I have to agree RUBS are great for keeping clean nice and easy for us |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 13:14:21
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Originally posted by Red123
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Originally posted by Cypher
Thanks for all the positive feedback. You guys have given me a positive insight into the use of rubs/containers.
My observation was from watching a documentary on zoos the other night & how the enclosures have changed over the years.
Y'know like back in the 80's elephants, bears,primates & big cats were kept in bare concrete enclosures & it was obvious how depressed & under stimulated they were.
Nowadays their enclosures is akin to their natural habitats with grass, tress, rocks & ponds...suffice to say, this has done wonders to the animals overall well-being.
I guess I'm just in 2 minds when I see an avid snake collector keeping a 4 ft snake in a rub that's not even big enough for the snake to fully stretch out & yet I know the collector is passionate about his creatures & the snake is well looked after...
Passionate about his creatures and looking after them well because they are making money on breeding them most probably. People keep snakes in RUBS so they can keep loads and breed them and try to make money from them. My sister is the same she keeps guinea pigs in very small cages so she can keep a loads and make money on them. Most breeders will claim they break even or make very little if any but I know thats not the case. I have to agree RUBS are great for keeping clean nice and easy for us
red... if other people use Rubs, I dont see why you have such a problem with it. Its all about personal choice. I actually had a milksnake once that would NOT settle in a viv. I got him in a rub but thought a viv would be better. He stopped feeding altogether and stopped socialising etc once he was put in the viv.
I put him back in his rub and he went back to feeding etc absolutely fine for me.
It might well be your opinion, but bear in mind not all of us are breeders. And on this forum. the breeders I personally know have nothing but their snakes interest at heart. They are all well cared for. They are all thriving. If you wanna be arguementative about it then surely none of us should keep them at all??!! Surely they should be left wild. |
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manda88
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1002 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 13:32:57
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I use RUBs for all my guys and they're all perfectly happy and healthy, or at least I like to think so RUBs are a hell of a lot cheaper than vivs and both do exactly the same thing, it's just that a viv looks nicer 
One day when I have a nice big house with millions of bedrooms and endless amounts of money from all the dosh I make from breeding all my snakes that I don't really care about (JOKE for those of you out there who don't have a sense of humour ) I would like to have them all in vivs, but because I'm not rich and I don't live in a huge house, they're going to carry on living perfectly happily in their horrible plastic boxes
CattNmo, my adults live in 33 litres, I have those 2 metre tall IKEA wardrobes (PAX range) which fits eighteen 33L RUBs in |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 13:36:11
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Originally posted by Red123
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Originally posted by Cypher
Thanks for all the positive feedback. You guys have given me a positive insight into the use of rubs/containers.
My observation was from watching a documentary on zoos the other night & how the enclosures have changed over the years.
Y'know like back in the 80's elephants, bears,primates & big cats were kept in bare concrete enclosures & it was obvious how depressed & under stimulated they were.
Nowadays their enclosures is akin to their natural habitats with grass, tress, rocks & ponds...suffice to say, this has done wonders to the animals overall well-being.
I guess I'm just in 2 minds when I see an avid snake collector keeping a 4 ft snake in a rub that's not even big enough for the snake to fully stretch out & yet I know the collector is passionate about his creatures & the snake is well looked after...
Passionate about his creatures and looking after them well because they are making money on breeding them most probably. People keep snakes in RUBS so they can keep loads and breed them and try to make money from them. My sister is the same she keeps guinea pigs in very small cages so she can keep a loads and make money on them. Most breeders will claim they break even or make very little if any but I know thats not the case. I have to agree RUBS are great for keeping clean nice and easy for us
You do know right that corns are worth like nothing lol? Unless we are from a diufferent part of the world or time? I don't think any corn breeder makes any profit at all with keeping snakes and breeding, I would guess that any kind of profit then goes towards the next adult snakes food bill, not on a flash car XD. I find it quite offensive what you have said, all my snakes are in vivs as well! But one of my adults is far happier in a RUB, she is out more and shows less signs of stress for a start however, I don't have the room to keep her permently in a RUB so she will be in a viv until I can swap her into a smaller one or have space to set-up a rub. |
   
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 15:52:56
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Sorry if you have taken offence I speak as I find though.
It costs me £10 per year to feed one adult corn snake. If I was to breed that snake and it layed 15 egss I then sold them at £25 each thats £375. Food for all 15 hatchlings would work out at about £6 depending on where you purchase them and if they were sold after 4 feeds. Obviously higher end morphs would sell for alot more but food would cost the same. I know that the female would eat extra but would more likely miss feeds through out the year so would equal out there. People only breed to make money they dont breed because they love that snake, probably half of the hatchlings will end up in rescues or being neglected, its just adding to the unwanted snakes. Same applies to all animals really.
Apologies to the OP for going off topic here slightly, all connected though. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 16:05:06
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so in essence what you are saying is that all breeders on here do it purely for money. Not for the excitement of breeding. watching it all. Learning from it etc. If I spoke what I found, right now the thread would be locked.
All Im saying is I know you have your views, but you are making those who use rubs sound like lazy people who have no consideration for their snakes. Including myself. Which I find offensive. Extremely. And extremely rude.
and exactly as eeji says, we all keep them in boxes. Wooden or plastic. |
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Edited by - Mamma on 29/03/2012 16:13:50 |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 16:21:09
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Looks like I am offending everyone today.
Snakes in wood have more floor space thats the only difference and if people bred them for the joy of it why is there such a huge range in prices just because one is a different colour to the other. I dont see people keeping hundreds of snakes in RUBS just because they want to. People who don't intend breeding generally keep them in vivs once adult and have alot fewer snakes. I would not have a problem keeping a small snake in a 50ltr RUB as long as it stays small 4ft+ is not really small only if comparing it to a retic etc. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2012 : 16:27:49
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Originally posted by Red123
Looks like I am offending everyone today.
Snakes in wood have more floor space thats the only difference and if people bred them for the joy of it why is there such a huge range in prices just because one is a different colour to the other. I dont see people keeping hundreds of snakes in RUBS just because they want to. People who don't intend breeding generally keep them in vivs once adult and have alot fewer snakes. I would not have a problem keeping a small snake in a 50ltr RUB as long as it stays small 4ft+ is not really small only if comparing it to a retic etc.
I do see what you are saying. No doubt about that. We arent talkin retics here in this case though. Just corns. OP asked what sizes people keep their corns in. If the OP decides to house corns in rubs when older, then it is ultimately their own choice to do so. Debates happen on forums.. its just the way it is. But to pretty much make out that rub users are some kinda monsters is ridiculous.The rub my boa is in until shes big enough for her adult viv is actually the same length as my 3 foot vivs. Which my adult corns are in. |
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