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tk72
Hatchling
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
 Posted - 11/02/2012 : 21:39:30
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seen these in ready steady store and they are really good quality and are similar to the one in hillzis pictue. they also have clip handles on them so snakey cant push them off. no pics on site but i have seen them when i was in there and they are good.
Plastic storage box (35 litres) 12.99
Plastic storage box (64 litres) 15.99
Plastic storage box (84 litres) 18.99 |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 22:09:27
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| I bought two 64 ltr RUBS for my two yearlings to move into BUT I just can't put them in them. It just don't seem right. Granted if I use RUBS for all my snakes I could buy several more and house them easily in RUBS. But thats just selfish of me. I have got a viv stack being built instead. Costs the earth compared to what the RUBS would but it makes me feel happier. I do think RUBS are alot easier to keep clean compared to wooden vivs but realistically thats the only thing going for them in my eyes. I try to think how they must feel, yes I do think snakes have feelings regardless of what others may think, I would not want to be shut in a small room where I can't stretch out properly so I'm sure they don't like it either. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 23:18:34
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This is the only RUB I've used it was for my Boa.
I will also add that since moving her to a vivarium she is a MUCH calmer and I wont be using RUBs in the future. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 00:02:22
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| I have bopth of mine in terrariams, I don't really see the point of having an animal your going to put in an opaque tub. I understand in certain circumstances that this is don't I.e. Temp houseing, rescues and hatchies but I'd feel cruel (not that it is cruel) to do this. I have a spare set up ready to go in a 24l rub in case something is wrong with either of my vivs |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 01:05:56
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Glad to see some responses and its not just rubs in general as that is personal preferance and i agree it would be pretty boreing but litre size is the main factor. i think it is turning out a quite interesting debate really considering how it started of and im sure many people shall be benefiting from it, is there no type of side clips you can get for the top for extra support?
Danny |
1x staffy-Roxy
I x iguana-zilla
Several tessera corns
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 02:50:59
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| You wouldn't need them, the handle clip things are solid and the lids are sturdy and strengthened around the edges too, the only concern I had was that the lid is not air tight there are gaps all the way round, a small corn snake could easily escape from an 18 litre RUB, the gaps are smaller the smaller the RUB. If you are worried you can use those curly curtain hook things to secure it at the sides but you wouldn't need to if its an actual RUB. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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new_snake_2011
Egg
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 07:30:03
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I have currently filled my gaps with cotton wall - got that tip from another forum :D
I currently have my snakes in 50L rubs. Caves at each end, plant, water and cardboard tubes. Aspen for sub.
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 10:11:08
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The gap around the lid of the 64 ltr Really Useful Box concerned me greatly. It is quite large and I think even one of my adults would try his hardest to get through this gap, he would end getting his head/kneck stuck for sure. I found a large piece of cardboarb wedged in the lid, creating like a false lid, filled this gap in completely. But like I say still coundn't bring myself to use them.
@ Gerogina - I know what you mean by saying you would feel cruel, my feelings exactly.
After all you wouldn't dream of keeping a dog in a crate or a rabbit in cage that it could hop about in. Why should a snake be any different.
In my opinion the majority of snakes kept in RUBS belong to breeders. If they didn't use RUBS they probably would not breed them simply because of the cost of housing in vivs and the space it would use. Maybe this would be good thing, not so many unwanted snakes about, but obviously specific morphs would become more difficult to buy.
There will always be people using RUBS i'm sure, I just won't be one of them  |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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new_snake_2011
Egg
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 11:28:50
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When I asked about if I should buy a viv or a rub the general consensus was a rub????????
If you felt that strongly about animals - you wouldnt keep them at all............
It seems my valid question about what do have in your rubs, for some ideas has turned in to a debate on rubs vs vivs........... |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 11:29:12
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Adult RUBS just look like vivs layouts just generally less stuff in them like plants and random crap. Mine only had megazorb bedding, a water bowl and 2 hides. Some people just have 1 bowl which is also doubles up as a cool hide and another hide, and some people I've seen just have the 1 long hide that goes from hot to cool end. One of my small adults seems happier when she was living in a RUB rather than her nice kitted out expensive viv, only problem is that she couldn't stay in as it's the feeding/cleaning RUB and there is no-where else to put any RUBs lol, it was like £5 from Matalan and its onle just over 2ft and about 15" and come already with air holes at the sides.
Mine are all in nice 4ft or 3ft vivs atm as I can afford the space and its something nice for me to look at however if I move, they would be going into smaller RUBs. They simply really do not use the space they have unless they have just been cleaned out or fed or wanting sexy time.
I honstely do not see why people thow their money away for small snakes to have vivs and exo terras ect when a RUB is cheaper and useable for other stuff. Just save your money to spend on snakey when it's all grown up. |
   
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 11:56:38
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very valid point there i think no matter if its a viv/rub the contents is always going to be the same really, its just what people are useing for sizes etc which the percentage so far have been around 50l plus at adulthood, But theres loads of people that havent stated anything, once mine is bigger im planning on putting two big perspex tubes in the side of a 50 litre rub in to another rub so it can maize inbetween them as such thought it was quite a good idea if it gets used.
Danny
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1x staffy-Roxy
I x iguana-zilla
Several tessera corns
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 12:52:54
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Im surprised that nobodys mentioned this yet (or they might have and i have missed it in which case apologies) Corns do not require a lot of room and can become stressed in they are put in a big open space with nothing to make them feel secure or safe so rubs are perfect really they are readily available in lots of sizes and i have to agree with most of the other posters here most of the people that i know that keep corns in racks keep them in either 33 litre or 50 litre tubs.
I personally have been keeping my corns in rubs till they are at a size where i feel they would be comfortable in a viv ultimately the whole viv vs rub debate boils down to personal preference the snakes not bothered either way as long as its fed and kept properly people shouldnt have to feel judged if they want to keep their snakes in rubs. |
6.8.0 Corn Snakes http://buzzsprehistoricpets.yolasite.com/
1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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new_snake_2011
Egg
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 13:03:25
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Originally posted by paulie78
Im surprised that nobodys mentioned this yet (or they might have and i have missed it in which case apologies) Corns do not require a lot of room and can become stressed in they are put in a big open space with nothing to make them feel secure or safe so rubs are perfect really they are readily available in lots of sizes and i have to agree with most of the other posters here most of the people that i know that keep corns in racks keep them in either 33 litre or 50 litre tubs.
I personally have been keeping my corns in rubs till they are at a size where i feel they would be comfortable in a viv ultimately the whole viv vs rub debate boils down to personal preference the snakes not bothered either way as long as its fed and kept properly people shouldnt have to feel judged if they want to keep their snakes in rubs.
Hi - No one had mentioned this you didnt miss it :D. Thanks for your reply
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 13:45:20
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Litres is kinda when talking about tubs unless your actually on about the RUB brand. 105 litres sounds massive in side for a corn when comparing them to people keeping them in 33l but the 105 may have no floor space and may just be height, so a 33l could be better.
I only have pictures of my rubs for when my snakes were little and lived in air tight cake tubs. |
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 13:50:27
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Not mentioned no but if you read up then this should be known, but saying all this they get stressed in a big space they live in the wild more than happy which is a pretty big space carolina for instance. where one of the most popular morphs came from allso bareing mind they average alot bigger than captive bred ones which is a fact and for what reason could that be? its the same with bearded dragons people say nooo you cant put a baby in a big vivarium because it can get lost,well not if you put silly amounts of decor init and once again if this was the case then why are they so popular in australlia across huge big open outbacks they survive there and still get to bigger lenghts.
I think in general in captive bred animals you should try and replicate where they came from i.e naturel surroundings as close as possible i no they know no different but they thrive in the wild for a reason, its just where they have been bred and bred for years and years then people start saying you need to do this and you cant do that but 3 quarters of that information is what us keepers and people have done so that just gets said as a requirement but not nessereley true or even a fact its what we put in to are own minds rather than actally being correct.
Danny |
1x staffy-Roxy
I x iguana-zilla
Several tessera corns
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 14:17:47
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Danny i see where your coming from and "the wild" is always the argument people use when people such as myself state about the fact corns get stressed in open spaces what you have to bear in mind is in the wild they would just find a hidey hole and stay there only coming out to hunt/feed which could be weeks or months between feeds
I agree with you in replicating natural habistat and thats actually what most hobbyists are doing with their setups its in our nature to humanise our pets give them names make theyre vivs look pretty with nice decorations etc but fact is as long as their basically needs are met they can and will lead perfectly "happy" healthy lives
As for the Austrailia debate you really cant compare domestically bred animals to such a massively diverse and delicate eco system that is austrailias wildlife which contains animals that have obviously been left to their own devices and evolved over millions of years to survive in their current habitats
This is obviously just my opinion lol but thats kinda how i look at it
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6.8.0 Corn Snakes http://buzzsprehistoricpets.yolasite.com/
1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 14:38:22
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Indeed and i no how iratateing it can be haveing to exsplain it when we both have hurd (but in the wild) so many times but it is a very valid point and the many pictures taken shows that young snakes lizards or whatever do explore in a open space, yes they may return to that hidey whole as they no that area but they arent confined to that space all the time. As for australlia you most certainley can compare the 2 corn snakes no as thats not where they came from but bearded dragons yes im not going to start on that topic as its not a forum for that subject but if anyone does have any questions on that and the differences then mybeardeddragons.co.uk is the place to go i run the site along with Rick and trish, Trish being a breeder Rick being a spesh in austrailia that has several contacts they are being tracked and studied daily and started a new bloodline/morph pictured on hadesdragons and now being continues by myself from a pure australien bred leatherback crossed with a italien bloodred leatherback but anyway ill shut up about that as we are not here for that ;)
All the best
Danny |
1x staffy-Roxy
I x iguana-zilla
Several tessera corns
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 14:52:11
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Fair enough mate to be honest when it comes to lizards i really wouldnt have a clue so theres no way id get into a debate about them lol i was speaking generally best wishes to you too
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Originally posted by danny
Indeed and i no how iratateing it can be haveing to exsplain it when we both have hurd (but in the wild) so many times but it is a very valid point and the many pictures taken shows that young snakes lizards or whatever do explore in a open space, yes they may return to that hidey whole as they no that area but they arent confined to that space all the time. As for australlia you most certainley can compare the 2 corn snakes no as thats not where they came from but bearded dragons yes im not going to start on that topic as its not a forum for that subject but if anyone does have any questions on that and the differences then mybeardeddragons.co.uk is the place to go i run the site along with Rick and trish, Trish being a breeder Rick being a spesh in austrailia that has several contacts they are being tracked and studied daily and started a new bloodline/morph pictured on hadesdragons and now being continues by myself from a pure australien bred leatherback crossed with a italien bloodred leatherback but anyway ill shut up about that as we are not here for that ;)
All the best
Danny
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6.8.0 Corn Snakes http://buzzsprehistoricpets.yolasite.com/
1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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new_snake_2011
Egg
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 15:06:32
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| so does anyone have pics!!! hahahaha |
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danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 15:06:49
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LOl loveing buffy by the way its kneck almost looks translusent :) Would love to get another corn
Danny |
1x staffy-Roxy
I x iguana-zilla
Several tessera corns
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Your Rubs
